Thus ends my dreams of being able to drop new areas into SoZ (or any module/campaign/PW) on the fly. Given the fact that editing the official modules will break patches its a dead horse topic for me now. :(

quoted text

Bows, Crossbows, Darts, Shurikens, and Throwing Axes can now be enchanted with the following properties (their recipes are the same as for melee weapons): Damage Bonus (all flavors), Enhance Bonus (all flavors), Keen, Holy Avenger, and Visual Effect.

quoted text

Hi Kaedrin or anyone else that can assist, I was hoping you could point me in the right direction to find the recipe to make the Holy Avenger on a bow.

On a side note: Thanks for CotSF, Swift Blade, and CotW PRC's, and all the other great content.

Now as for what i dont know how to do:
Special Attacks: Spell-like abilities.
*special Arrows (Ex): Pixies sometimes employ arrows that deal no damage but can erase memory or put a creature to sleep.

Memory Loss: An opponent struck by this arrow must succeed on a DC 15 Will save or lose all memory. The save DC is Charisma-based and includes a +2 racial bonus. The subject retains skills, languages, and class abilities but forgets everything else until he or she receives a heal spell or memory restoration with limited wish, wish, or miracle.

Sleep: Any opponent struck by this arrow, regardless of Hit Dice, must succeed on a DC 15 Fortitude save or be affected as though by a sleep spell. The save DC is Charisma-based and includes a +2 racial bonus.

A pixie’s base land speed is 20 feet. It also has a fly speed of 60 feet (good).
*I can edit the speed, but i dont know how to edit it for them to have a different land speed vs air speed.

Special Qualities: Damage reduction 10/cold iron, greater invisibility, spell resistance equal to 15 + class levels.
*I gave them 5/cold iron since i found a warlock feat for that, but i need to make my own feat for 10/cold iron, spell resistance i gave them the drow 11+level for the same reason. Not sure how to add spell like 1/day racials yet either.

Race: Human
Alignment: Evil or Good

1. Fighter (Weapon Focus (Scythe), Luck of Heroes, Dodge)
2. Fighter (Mobility)
3. Fighter (Iron Will)
4. Fighter (Spring Attack)
5. Fighter
6. Warrior of Darkness (Combat Expertise)
7. Warrior of Darkness
8. Elemental Warrior (Elemental Affinity (Fire))
9. Elemental Warrior (Whirlwind Attack)
10. Elemental Warrior
11. Weapon Master
12. Weapon Master (Free Choice)
13. Weapon Master
14. Weapon Master
15. Weapon Master (Free Choice)
16. Weapon Master
17. Weapon Master
18. Elemental Warrior (Free Choice)
19. Elemental Warrior
20. Warrior of Darkness (Weapon Specialization (Scythe))
21. Warrior of Darkness (Free Choice)
22. Fighter (Free Choice)
23. Fighter (Free Choice)
24. Fighter (Greater Weapon Focus (Scythe))
25. Fighter (Free Choice)
26. Fighter (Epic Weapon Focus (Scythe))
27. Fighter (Free Choice)
28. Fighter (Greater Weapon Specialization (Scythe))
29. Warrior of Darkness (Epic Weapon Specialization (Scythe))
30. Warrior of Darkness (Weapon Mastery (Slashing))

With this and the proper weapon enhancements, it's possible to have the weapon deal almost every type of elemental damage there is, just note that Darkling Weapon and Weapon Enchantments do not stack

Basically, with a correctly enchanted Scythe, your attack should deal something along the lines of this.

Base Weapon Damage (2d4)
+5 Physical (Base Weapon Enhancement +5)
1d6 Acid Damage
1d6 Electrical Damage

1d6 Cold Damage (Darkling Weapon)
2d6 Fire Damage (Elemental Weapon)

Crit Chance 17-20(With Keen Edge spell or Improved Critical)/x5
Massive Criticals: 4d6 Fire Damage (Elemental Weapon at 5th Level) OR 2d10 (Darkling Weapon)

in wip is perhaps not necessary according to www.nwn2wiki.org
* AC Bonus: 4
* Maximum dexterity bonus: +2
* Arcane spell failure: 50%
* Armor check penalty: -10
* To-Hit Penalty: -2 (Working as of patch 1.23)

apparently there is a penatly since 1.23

Also, the heartwarder spell progression doesnt seem to be working.

I don't wanna add to the work load, but of the ones I've found of Shield feats, they seem pretty similar to feats that are already in there, just, well, for shields.

That and I couldn't find very many two-handed feats. Though Gigantic Weapon could be useful for people who want to run around as a halfling with a sword as big as they are.

- Bonus Feats: At first level, a knight of Tierdrial is granted the Skill Focus (Lore) feat. At 10th level, a knight of Tierdrial is granted the Luck of Heroes feat.

Plus, the entire description after that is in bold for some reason.

In any case, my favorite class in the 4E handbook thus far is the Warlord class, and, on a little research, I found that they were inspired by the Marshal base class in 3.0, although I've heard they weren't so great in the PnP, apparently they're similar to Bards but with better armor and no magic, from what I've heard, anyway. I've never played PnP DnD 3.0 or 3.5, just NWN2

In any case, if you're interested in taking a look but don't have the book for them, here's where I got my info about them, http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030906b

Loki showed that he could have a familiar summon another familiar. So what i was thinking is that when the character goes to the PrC the new feat would goto the current familiar and it would actually do the summons of the second familiar based on which PrC was chosen. I admit I didnt have this completely figured out when I was submitting this to you because wasnt I even sure if this could be done.

Thanks Razenhell

Why is :

Dragon Shape ( Druid, Epic ) ( Wild 8day and /or Druid lvl 26 ) *Not sure for the lvl 26 !

and

Magical Beast ( Class, Epic ) ( Wild 4day ).

Is t done on purpose, can't find the answer nowhere ? One is for Druid only or not ? What about the lvl requirement ?
Need this to make sure my next build with Daggerspell Shaper will work !

Thanks

Since Canaith Lyrist adds bard levels no matter which kind of spellcasting you choose to progress in when it comes to determining power of inspirations.. shouldn't your Canaith Lyrist levels count towards Dissonant Chord's Anti-Magic Melody aswell?

E.g Bard 10, Cleric 5, Canaith Lyrist 10 (spellcasting progression: cleric) and Dissonant Chord 5 should cast Mordenkainen's Disjunction at casterlevel 25.. or will it be casterlevel 15 making it just as good/bad as greater dispel? Or is it classes like swiftblade that increases your casterlevel and spells known but doesn't add 'bardic levels' as far as determining the power of inspirations go that counts as 'pure bardic levels'? Or does it even need Canaith Lyrist WITH spellcasting progression: Bard to count as pure bardic levels? Really quite puzzled over this, hope somebody knows the answer! Possibly only Kaedrin that does =)

Also with the same build shouldn't Countersong SR be 10+25*+charisma modifier/2? Or will it be 10+15+charisma modifier/2?

Eagerly waiting for a release date for the 1.39 Kaedrin's Class Pack.

// Robin

I'm not sure from reading the PRC description if Stormsinger is supposed to advance EB damage, but I figure something's out of whack.

Thanks for all the work you've done. Your pack is the main reason this game is still installed on my computer!

I was hoping this could be fixed in any upcoming Kaedrin patch, from what I've heard from other people with experience it hopefully shouldn't be so hard to fix.

I'm also aware of that it's not a Kaedrin's Class Pack bug since the spell and inspirations exist pre installment.. but you're the only one I can count on if I wanna see changes like these before the glaciers melt.

It might not seem like such a big deal that it cancels the inspirations since it's such a powerful 'spell' as it is.. but when playing on a heavy magic PW like Realms of Trinity, loosing your dodge AC / AB will indeed in many cases drastically reduce the usefulness of the spell. Early in the game I didn't think much of it since the regen from hymn of requiem canceled out the additional damage that I would get from lowering my AC, but when fighting enemies that hit for a high amount of damage per hit the regen doesn't make up for the AC loss.. not by a longshot. So if I rely on the dodge AC provided from Inspire Defense for example I simply cannot cast Song of Requiem because I'll just get crushed. Or if I've reached the dodge cap w/o Inspire Defense then the loss of Inspire Courage will cause me to not be able to hit for 5-10 rounds w/o 20's.. so I'm many situations I just have to do w/o the Requiem in order to survive as long as possible when it's the feat the build was made around.. this just makes me sad tbh.

All the info in the middle part of this post might or might not make a difference when determining whether Song of Requiem should be changed or not, It's just an example.. I don't think the argument "it's such a good buff that you can live w/o the Inspirations for the duration" is true.. it is good, but since you need 2 epic feats and 21 bard or 10 bard/10 canaith lyrist just to get it with Hymn, I really think removing this *bug* should be a priority. If it's intentional by Obsidian it isn't mentioned anywhere exept indirectly in the code (correct me if I'm wrong).

if anyone knows this would help…kaedrin is releasing some cool spells for rangers in 1.40 this is important

which people prefer better? which is better?

Similarly, a Spirit Shaman of level 5 takes Telthor Companion, and Natural Bond, would it then count as a level 2 Druid companion? With Improved, then would it act as a level 5 Druid companion equivalent (class cap) ?

I prefer the first one, most spells renews the duration when cast, like concealment, or sirine's grace which I also rely on in a hard battle.

Ranger 5

Dragon Warrior 10

Wildbow 10

Elemental Archer 5

It pretty much plays into getting Dragon Warrior and Wildbow without using feats to qualify. The only thing you have to pick up is Dodge and Weapon Focus (Longbow) before level 16. Grab the lore 2 for Dragon Warrior and start working on Craft Weapon from lv1 and its smooth sailing into lv30 as far as requirements are concerned. From there just maximizing the damage output with feats that increase crit range, ease of crit confirmation, AB, damage, and thats pretty much it.

Ranger spells arent all that great so you will basically be using them for entangle, spike growth to slow enemies and put more damage on target before they get to you. Some minor healing if you need it is about the only thing your going to get out of the spell list after that.

You animal companion will be severely lacking so you could invest in the new feat line to increase its level, templates, and throw some spells to buff it if you feel the need to have something tank enemies as you drop them.

Your BAB will be 25 +4 AB from level abilities so you will have to increase dex, or wis if you go Zen Archer, heavily to consistently hit heavy AC enemies. With weapon focus and a starting dex of 20 you shouldnt have any issues with hitting at lower levels.

You have a slew of class powers to play with including the ability to have arrows on the spot, change their material, hit everything in the area with an arrow witch is good for pulling aggro, damage shield, breath weapon, and a few others. Most of those have cooldowns so your rarely caught without something to help out.

Your damage shouldnt have issues as you get 2d6+5 elemental damage +2d6 sneak attack damage just from your classes. You could further increase that by grabbing up crit feats and a decent enchanted bow. Im one that doesnt normally buy enchanted arrows so I never factor that into my damage output.

Hope that gets your brains stirring on your no buff archer builds :)

Both classes rely heavily on charisma so having only 14 wisdom and minor stats in dex due to armor makes spreading out the rest of your stats relatively easy. Increasing your charisma over your 30 levels will allow you to put damage down range and up close at lower levels. Taking Aasimar or any ECL race will advance this character farther in the long run, but may make leveling a little harder than other builds.

Paladin 1 Smite evil 1/day; feat
Paladin 2 Divine grace, Lay on hands
Paladin 3 Aura of Courage, Divine health; feat
Paladin 4 Turn undead, Spells; +1 stat
Paladin 5 Smite evil 2/day
Paladin 6 Remove disease 1/day; feat
Paladin 7
Paladin 8 +1 stat
Bone Knight 9 Bonecraft Armor, Spellcasting Progression, Turn Undead; feat
Bone Knight 10 Bone March, Faithful Spirit
Bone Knight 11 Master of the White Banner
Bone Knight 12 Improved Bonecraft Armor; feat; +1 stat
Bone Knight 13 Fill the Ranks 1/day
Bone Knight 14 Bonecraft Weapon
Warlock 15 Eldritch Blast 1d6; feat
Eldritch Disciple 16 Turn Undead, Spellcasting Progression, Gift of the Divine Patron; +1 stat
Eldritch Disciple 17 Eldritch Blast 2d6
Eldritch Disciple 18 feat
Eldritch Disciple 19 Gift of the Divine Patron; Eldritch Blast 3d6
Eldritch Disciple 20 Bonus Feat: Touch of Healing; +1 stat
Eldritch Disciple 21 Eldritch Blast 4d6; feat
Eldritch Disciple 22
Eldritch Disciple 23
Eldritch Disciple 24 Eldritch Blast 5d6; feat; +1 stat
Eldritch Disciple 25 Gift of the Divine Patron
Warlock 26 Eldritch Lore; Eldritch Blast 6d6
Warlock 27 Damage reduction 1/cold iron; feat
Warlock 28 Deceive Item; +1 stat
Warlock 29 Eldritch Blast 7d6
Warlock 30 feat

End the end you have plenty of ranged damage backed up by a pretty well buffed melee damage, a few immunities, damage reduction, divine spirit, unlimited healing touch and healing blast, powerful turn undead, the option of taking divine feats with your turn undead uses, powerful bonecrafting of your armor and weapons, and the ability to control a level 30 undead creature.

depending on how you decide to put your stats and what equipment you use the numbers could be all over the place, however whatever you decide when doing this build Im sure you will be happy with the end result.

Could reuse the spell for the epic one which turns enemies into chickens and just change it to single target.

Proof of concept working so far.
I was able to create some hidden race filter feats and assignment to the race_feat_** 2da.

then the (single Racial paragon class) has just one cls_feat_rparagon.2da
I am able to filter of Race specific feats gained as specific levels via the GrantedPreReq column
For example
Dwarves are the only rae that get heavy armor and shield proficiency at level 1 in their racial paragon class. So Grant Heavy armor prof and shield prof at level 1 but give it a GrantedPreReqFeat of "FEAT_DWARF" (my custom race ID feat, which was granted as a racial feat in in feat_dwarf. Therefore dwarves get the heavy armor and shield prof feats at level 1 but other races do not.

The above handles auto-granted feats at given levels and allows filtering by race.

Next problem:
Filtering by race (and level) of Bonus feats (ie ones from list 2)

For example, elves get a bonus feat at 2nd level of racial paragon in which they can choose a weapon focus in an elven weapon. But humans get a general bonus feat to pick from at level 2.

How do you only allow only the elven weapon focus feats to show up when the PC is an elf, and not have the general feats available for humans appear as well?

cls_feat_*** needs to respect both the GrantedOnLevel and GrantedPReReq fields for list value 2.

How to accomplish this:
On module load, scan classes,2da to get a list of all cls_feat_.2da files in use.
For each cls_feat_.2da file create a data set of the following info:
if List value != 3,
feat index, GrantedOnlevel, GrantedPreReq values.
store this info somewhere on the mod.
During level up, in the callback for bonus feat screen OnAdd
determine what class was leveled up.
Find the matched data set for that class.
Alter the bonus feat list box.
For each feat in the listbox, if the feat is one in the list, and the currently level gained is != the granted on level value, or GetHasFeat(GrantedPReReq) is false, remove that feat from the list box.
Thus this restricts the list of available bonus feats.
So the leveling up character being an elf, does not have the race human ID feat. Therefore all the bonus feats which had GrantedPreReq = race human feat, will not show up for the elf.
Have to make sure Its possible to filter the feat list though of course Hopefully the same technique as IDing classes, skills, and spells works.

*sidenote someone asked me if you fixed the hellfire exploit with death ward bug….it doesn't seem to work …I am glad more legit feel personally

Playing MOTB evil as a non "tankish" character can be a bit painful at first. To do "evil" right, you have to bypass your first chance at a party member who's build out of the box for tanking. (won't spoil the details…)

You can SORT of get by by gearing another of your companions up for the role… but it really eats up some resources early to do that.

So I wanted to use my warlock as my stop gap tank. He didn't need to do anything fancy, just block some doorways/hallways and soak some damage. I found myself using word of changing coupled with buffs from my party to accomplish this (the form gives a bit of regen and a bit of DR), but i was getting really tired of shifting out constantly to reapply dark foresight. So I plopped open the CMI file and switched "arcane forms can cast" on, and used the console to reward myself natural spell.

So I played on for a while, limiting myself to dark foresight… until curiosity got the best of me. Needless to say having a limitless supply of ranged/melee touch attacks lobbed from a form with mid 20's strength and over 30 agility (with buffs) made up for the low bab problems I had always had trying to play a shifting druid in nwn2. Extremely well. The warlock I was using was 16 deep in warlock, with 2 BG levels for the double dip save bonus from the high charisma, so I had a nice high Eldritch dice count. The problem becomes finding a nice sweet spot where you are happy with the form you can use and your eldritch blast progression.

Depending on how much you want to get out of your druid levels you can stop at 5 for natural spell/wild shape (if arcane shapes casting is switched on) and use word of changing's deamon form for your shape dujor. The problem with this, is that you are limited to one rather weak druid form per day until grabbing your warlock's 16th level.

I have no idea what an optimized version of this would look like, I just know that if it turns out anything like what I was playing around with earlier it will be a fun build.

Anyhow the build has promise I am playing around with it still :P

Issac

but can champion of silver flame get any divine spirit progression even if its only half progression…

because if I take a paladin level 20/silver flame 10 I either get warding of flame at level 30 or I get spirit of the fallen at level 30….when the game is already over….

if its too much to ask I understand if you will refuse due to balance reason…..

One build where max level is 4, the XP you get at the start of SoZ. One build that progresses to level 8.
Builds that do not overlap the NPCs in SoZ too much get bonus points. (IE no crossbow rangers or dino druids)
Builds that have fewer levels due to ECL or XP penalties lose points.

You need a party that has the quadrinity, as idealized in 4E: defender, striker, controller, and leader.

Defender: Can take on the toughest opponents in melee
Striker: Big damage and can get out of trouble
Controller: Take enemies out of play or give them other things to worry about
Leader: Support role - healing, buffs, debuffs, etc

For base classes, they break down along like this (generally):

Defender types: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian
Striker types: Monk, Ninja, Rogue, Warlock
Controller: Wizard, Sorceror, Druid, Spirit Shaman
Leader: Cleric, Bard

Hybrids are:
Defender/Striker: Thug, Swashbuckler
Striker/Leader: Favored Soul
Striker/Controller: Ranger

It gets more complicated as you add PrCs, but you can follow the gist. One type can either stay that type or become a hybrid of two types (which may actually cause a hybrid to split three ways or become more focused on one way)

Stand Fast

While most paladins enjoy the companionship of a summoned mount, those who live amidst large populations often prefer to devote their energies toward protecting those around them and defending the city from outside threats.

Class: Paladin.

Level: 5th.

Replaces: If you select this class feature, you do not gain a special mount.

Benefit: Starting at 5th level, a paladin may use the following two abilities, once per day each, as an immediate action. At 11th level, she may use each ability twice per day, and at 18th level she may use each ability three times per day.

Add the paladin's divine grace (Charisma modifier) on the saving throw of all allies within 20 feet. She must add this bonus on the same save for each of them; thus, she could add to everyone's Reflex save, or everyone's Will save, but she could not grant some a bonus on Reflex and others a bonus on Will. She does not gain any bonus for using this ability, but neither does she lose her own divine grace bonus. This bonus lasts for 1 round.
Add the paladin's divine grace (Charisma modifier) on any roll she makes to resist a bull rush, disarm, grapple, sunder, or trip attack. She cannot use this ability when she is making such an attack; it is defensive only.

Ascetic Hunter

You have gone beyond the bounds of your monastic training to incorporate new modes of bringing the unlawful to justice. Although many of your fellow monks frown on your methods, none can doubt that your diverse training has added to your ability to strike precisely and bring down your foes quickly.

Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, favored enemy.

Benefit: When you use an unarmed strike to deliver a stunning attack against a favored enemy, you can add one-half your favored enemy bonus on damage rolls to the DC of your stunning attempt.

If you have levels in ranger and monk, those levels stack for the purpose of determining your unarmed strike damage. For example, a human 7th-level ranger/1st-level monk would deal 1d10 points of damage with her unarmed strike.

In addition, you can multiclass freely between the monk and ranger classes. You must still remain lawful in order to retain your monk abilities and take monk levels. You still face the normal XP penalties for having multiple classes more than one level apart.

Any time the scout attacks a foe that has made a melee or ranged weapon attack against her within the past round (whether or not the attack hit you), her attack deals an extra 1d6 points of damage. This extra damage increases by 1d6 for every four levels gained above 1st (2d6 at 5th, 3d6 at 9th, 4d6 at 13th, and 5d6 at 17th).

This extra damage applies only against living creatures that have a discernable anatomy. Undead, constructs, oozes, plants, incorporeal creatures, and creatures immune to extra damage from critical hits are not vulnerable to this additional damage. The scout must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. She can apply this extra damage to ranged attacks, but only if the target is within 30 feet.

At 3rd level, the scout gains a +1 competence bonus to Armor Class against any creature to which she has dealt riposte damage, as described above. This bonus lasts until the start of her next turn. If she deals riposte damage to more than one creature in a round, she gains this bonus against all of them; it is not limited to a single foe. This bonus improves by 1 for every four levels gained above 3rd (+2 at 7th, +3 at 11th, +4 at 15th, and +5 at 19th level).

The scout loses this ability when wearing medium or heavy armor or when carrying a medium or heavy load.

Would this be more easily implemented in NWN2 or make the Scout worth adding?

I was thinking a variant on this might be kind of cool, since the other abilities aren't really applicable to NWN2. Arcane spellcasting progression and share spells is good. Would it be possible for the animal companion to be able to cast touch attack spells like a familiar does? I was thinking if it isn't possible, then maybe you could replace the familiar that the arcane spellcaster (IE for bard it wouldn't be possible) has with the animal companion blueprint (and apply any applicable feats or active spells).

Even when taking weapon focus spell melee touch…. can only a fighter take this?
caster level 4….
maybe I am just doing something wrong…?

is warlock caster level low or doesn't progress saw another bug I couldn't take divine armor or divine fortune asking for caster level 5 until I took knight of tierdral and then it became available

Someone made an invocation change to the Dead Walk that scales the undead that is summoned. This sounds a lot like your intention of doing this later (on the Current Plans page) with zombies.

http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=NWN2HakpaksOriginal.Detail&id=462

Also, some of those invocations seem neat. Would they be easily added to your pack?

Now comes something that is the counterpart of the blacklock.

16 warlock/4 paladin/10 knight of tierdral
or 12 warlock/8 paladin/10 eldtrich disciple
or 26 warlock/4 paladin an opposite of blacklock

starts as a chaotic good moves to lawful good and starts following a righteous path.

Rpg style of the enlighten spirit:The enlightened spirit is a warlock who’s seen the light and has turned to good

any ideas or comments?

edit: look at my link on this post on the bottom to see my try at this.

A good version of warlock…..any thoughts?

Looking forward to eldtrich disciple too

1. How do chained spells deal with sneak attack? I assume that it would only apply to the first target, but it would be really nasty if it didn't.

2. The description seems to allow no damage and no save spells to be chained, does this mean that a spell such as Bigby's Interposing Hand could be chained and not suffer any penalties that the other spells are subjected to?

Concerns:

I'm assuming that the Bigby line of spells can be chained, as the description indicates; "Any spell that specifies a single target and has a range greater than touch", I think this makes a chained Forceful hand incredibly powerful. Interposing hand also seems quite strong. You could probably also cause a lot of trouble with chained avasculate, destruction etc. In short: there might be some balancing issues here, especially considering that arcane casters are already very strong.

I've noted that the feat is disabled by default, but it seems like an interesting topic nonetheless.

Anyway, if you upload your character to their new Bioware social site (http://social.bioware.com) you can get a code for an item in game that boosts your stats by +1. My nick on the site is Kunikos, feel free to add me.

I read in your change log that the stormlord's weapon effect was changed to a 24hour cycle. I have you latest build installed but the stormlord's weapon effect is still only 2m (this is very annoying).

How do I change that?

Thanks,
Erik

then I shouldn't take the feat sanctify strike or divine might because it won't stack?
also for champion of silver flame sacred flame won't stack either I assume?

I am also assuming it won't stack with Bonecraft Weapon (nor with sanctify strike the bonecraft)

this prc demands "practised caster warlock" if possible

Pure paladin

Pros
3 epic feats
full smite progression up to 7 times +extra smite =9 smite perday
full lay on hands progression
full divine spirit progression
full remove disease
can have normal intelligence

Cons well no bonuses of the prestiges classes and no tower shield sadly

Paladin 20/10 bone knight
pros

tower shield
divine spirit 29/30 progression
other cool feats of bone knight such as immunes
summoning a undead and controlling one
death strike
full spell and turn progression
get spellcraft opens doors to practical extend

cons
no more smite progression after level 20
no more remove disease after 20
no extra epic feats
have to waste points in bizarre skills like craft wasted points 12 in intelligence for aasimar
27bab rather then 30 bab

paladin 20/Champion of Silver flame10

Pros
tower shield
turn undead and spell progression maxed
SPELL RESISTANCE! without being drow or yuanti
extra turn undead so you can use the devotion feats more and opens doors to epic divine vigor easier
extra smite saves you a feat
and the other bonuses
full 30 bab
gets spellcraft opens doors to extend and practical extend

Cons

the biggest con/flaw it has over bone knight and which saddens me is that he doesn't get divine spirit progression at all
no tumble progression thats ok you can take paladin then silver flame levels and switch to get this
no epic feats
no smite progression
no remove disease progression
waste points in lore and have 12 int with assimar
Sanctify strike doesn't work as of now for champion of silver flame(just updated)

So with all this in mind…..which is the coolest picks they all have pros and cons?

1.39/1.40 is almost out!