4E powers

4E powers

Anonymous (129.105.83.x) 1212873055|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Just been reading the skinny on 4E from the newly released player's handbook. Was wondering what everyone else thought on the idea of implementing some of these abilities for some of the classes as 6 second, 30 second, and 5/10 minute cooldown abilities for at-will, encounter and daily powers.

I think this would solve the problem most classes have of just clicking an opponent and watching it die (or kill you).

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Kaedrin 1212880583|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The biggest issues is that we can't do instant spells/feats which means every one of those powers would take a round to activate making many of them rather useless. If Obsidian can be convinced to give us instant spells and feats I think some of the stuff from 4E would be doable.

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Yume-kun 1212931032|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Another big objectionable issue might be that NWN2 is built around the 3.5 rules rather than 4E.

Cherry picking of features by edition is generally not a very desirable outcome to maintain a semblance of balance/integrity.

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conan2005 1212937829|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Absolutely agree with Yume-kun. Besides 4E appearing to be a steaming pile of a completely different game, the 4E powers would be too imbalanced. If you ever get around to doing them, please make sure to include options for turning them off.

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steelfiredragon 1212948806|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Id settle for an optional hak that added the 4e tiefling and got rid of the ecl for the other races.

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Yume-kun 1212949460|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yeah, I'd love to play a Drow without the LA :-D

I mean, it's only what ? +2 DEX, +2 INT, +2CHA, SR 11+HD, and a handful of other stuff ?

Balance ? What's that ?

*ahem*

Seriously, don't mix materials from different rulesets - I can tell you from nearly 20 years of experience of designing, modifying and tinkering with games and game rules that it invariably leads to grief.

And yes, 3.5E and 4E are different rulesets, even though they might employ superficially similar mechanisms.

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Kaedrin 1212950265|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Drow in 4e:
+2 Dex, +2 Cha
+2 Intimidate, +2 Stealth

Once per Encounter: Darkness or Faerie Fire (called Darkfire).

That's it. No SR (SR is gone in 4e).

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Yume-kun 1212950386|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

*rolleyes* my opinion on 4E wasn't very high - it's gone down even more now (essentially, I consider it a dumbed-down version suffering from fatal power creep given in by a need forinstant satisfaction vs. long-term enjoyment)

Edit: my original point stands; don't mix rulesets, it leads to grief and strife.

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Kaedrin 1212950557|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Lesser Drow in Players Guide to Faerun:

+2 Dex, -2 Con
Darkvision
Light Blindness
+2 Will Save
Dancing Lights, Daze, Touch of Fatigue 1/day (each)

No ECL, No SR.

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Yume-kun 1212954518|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hm. Would it be feasible to do a small (optional) races pack ?
Solidly based on the existing ruleset/information ? (Rather than debase to 4E)

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Kaedrin 1212970513|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Sure. But it would nerf some of the races such as the drow. Is that worth getting no ECL on aasimars, tieflings, genasi, duergar, drow, ect?

The Lesser race version of the drow is just a dark-skinned elf.

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nicethugbert 1212971038|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

IIRC, ladydesire is waiting for the hak load bug to get fixed before making a race pack.

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conan2005 1212976108|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I guess the way I see it, you've spent so much time and effort getting NWN2 3.5 PnP compliant, why spend the time on an optional race pack, power pack, whatever, for a completely different ruleset, just released, that will see some tweaking and changes.

Maybe I'm just getting old, or have been through too many rule changes already, but 4E seems like a completely radical shift from traditional D&D to a completely new game catering to a new player. I mean c'mon, teleporting Paladins. Gimme a break.

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Kaedrin 1212983262|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I didn't mean anything to do with 4e. I meant the lesser race versions out of the PGtF (3.5'ish).

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steelfiredragon 1212984751|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

no the lesser races arent worth it either, atleast not to me

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Yume-kun 1212996017|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Fair enough, I'll get back to prepping screenshots of all the class armors I've been doing so far & stop being a PITA

(For what little it's worth - yes, I have been working (semi-)professionally on both computer and PnP games for about 20 years)

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Kaedrin 1213018926|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I wouldn't get discouraged. The discussion of ideas is always a good thing even if the suggestion doesn't happen. It's always food for thought.

I've passed on making the lesser races so far as I didn't expect folks to want some races nerfed (drow, duergar) just to get other races at what they should be (aasimar, tiefling). Even as an optional download it seemed better to spend the time elsewhere.

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Yume-kun 1213029433|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

But why bother to replace when you can add ?The racialtypes/racialsubtypes 2da's, even if they were limited to 255 entries, have plenty space in them ….

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Kaedrin 1213030642|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I can't do two of the same race without players going "why two options for each race" and then looking at them to see a nerfed drow or a normal drow. That wouldn't go over well. The lesser race rules are meant to replace the normal races.

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Yume-kun 1213044911|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

OK, that's clear to me. But there are a few races that shouldn't be much of a stretch (or problem) to implement (I'm thinking Fey'ri, Ghostwise Halfling (Races of Faerun) and Deep Imaskari (Underdark) )

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Kaedrin 1213050590|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Fey'ri are much more demonic than tieflings so would need a new model. There is also the issue that races don't load up for PWs.

Deep Imaskari would be doable (essentially a +2 int, -2 dex, favored class wizard version of the human). -Dex makes it a weak caster compared to elves.

Ghostwise Halfling is the same as a halfling but with favored class barb. Why not just a strongheart for the bonus feat?

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Yume-kun 1213083029|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Okay, granted again - I guess I -really- should stick to what I do best (making blueprints and making obvious remarks)

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nicethugbert 1213133518|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Goliath stands out favorably as a melee race. Should be easy to do.

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Kaedrin 1213138428|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Ehhhhhhh…..

+4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Dex, Simple Weapons, +2 Diplomacy for a simple +1 ECL is excessively strong to me. :(

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steelfiredragon 1213175697|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

id still settle for a hybrid 3.5/4e tiefling
the 4e stat
the 4e fire resistant, well okay not really have it go up every lvl so that the 5 + half yer level would be at a even level so when it starts its 5 res, and at lvl 10, its 10 res 5 + half your levels etc

grant 3.5 expert tactition for free, since modifying it might be a drag to only effect the character.

and no ecl.

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Yume-kun 1213176354|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Jeebus H, it's not like Tieflings have a monster level adjustment - it's only a +1 for Bog's Sakes!

It's about making choices - and living with the results, rather than trying to pervert the choice to have the best of both (commonly referred to as "munching munchkin"); if you want those Resistances, +2 DEX, +2 INT and the racial spells; you'll have to suffer the -2 CHA and the +1 LA as well; it's not like the penalties are that crippling, and even the OC is good to reach level 20 with a character that has an LA of up to +3.

*sigh* I swear, more of this 4E nonsense and I'm gone.

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Kaedrin 1213213890|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

My list of things to do is already long enough without 4e.