curse song + bard prc question

curse song + bard prc question

sly_1 1213036117|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Say I notice that a few of the various bard flavor prc's allow the bard song to progress in some way shape or form. My question is specifically about curse song.

For example, in the stormsinger description: "Bardic Music: A stormsinger's class level stacks with any levels of bard she has for purposes of determining the number of times per day she may use bardic music." This seems pretty straightforward: you get more bard songs per day, but the description says nothing about any other progression. So I'm assuming that you don't get any curse song progression out of your stormsinger levels, right?

What about War Chanter? Will WC levels cause your curse song to progress?
What about Songblade? That particular prc's description specifically states you continue to progress your bard songs *and* inspirations while levelling as a songblade, but no mention of curse song.

Thanks!

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Kaedrin 1213036825|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I clarified all of the descriptions.

Songblade, Stormsinger and War Chanter levels stack for determining the number of bard songs/day and for the effectiveness of inspirations.
Songblade levels grant inspirations as if levels had been gain in the Bard class ONLY if they take the Songblade Dancer class focus. (10/10 Bard/Songblade with Songblade Dancer has all inspirations).

Curse song and other effects (suggestion, etc) are treated as inspirations.

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sly_1 1213039340|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

ok, cool. So just to be clear, the ac malus from curse song maxes out at bard lvl 16 and perform 30 (iirc it's 30, might be 25 but whatever). So a bard 11/war chanter 5 will have the same curse song as a lvl 16 pure bard, right? Same deal for say, a 6 bard/10 songblade or 6 bard/10 stormsinger?

If so, that's rad! I love bards! Get on the ball and make that War Chanter, man!!! :P

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Kaedrin 1213050962|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yes.

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Anonymous (24.251.123.235) 1213843363|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Say, I realized I overlooked a class in this thread. What about seeker of the song? Will levels in that class also count towards the curse song effects? Ie will say a bard 6/seeker 10 have a curse song of a 16 bard?

Thanks for being so patient and helpful!

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Kaedrin 1213847577|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yes.

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sly_1 1213851263|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Woah, that's awesome. I would like to take this opportunity to start a one man crusade to get the planned 1.38 "Harmonic Dissonance" update pushed up to 1.34, right after you are done with the current update :D

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Kaedrin 1213918015|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

1.34 has too many important additions/tweaks/fixes and changes in it. 1.35 may get pushed to after 1.37. 1.36 and 1.37 are also very important ones to get done.

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nicethugbert 1213925962|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The one feat I am looking forward to the most is Intuitive Attack. That will help out Druid and Monk a lot. They need it bad. Monks are not getting any PrC, spell, or feat love except this one feat.

Spells are too good to pass up. They benefit more classes than any other mechanism and in many cases are automatically retro active, no re-leveling necessary.

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sly_1 1213931172|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

@ Nicethugbert: Intuitive attack will also overpower the already overpowered clerics, though. And spells, well, the spell casting classes are already super powerful as well. Bards need love way more than sorcerers need yet another way to nuke everything in their path, imo! (and yeah, I know, some of those spells are bard/ranger/paladin etc, but c'mon, man, were talking about some seriously sexy bard prc's here!! :P )

@ Kaedrin: you're the boss, so if you gotta do 1.34 after 1.33 as planned so be it. But pretty please with sugar on top, how about bumping Harmonic Dissonance to 1.35?

Will it help if I make puppy dog eyes? :)

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Kaedrin 1213933746|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Intuitive attack only works with simple and natural weapons.

1.33 and 1.34 will take some time, 1.36 and 1.37 shouldn't take much time at all. If I push 1.35 I'll do 1.38 then 1.35. I re-evaluate the release plans after every update so maybe it will change but this is pretty solid after the huge cleanup and reorganization of my stuff I've done.

Monks got two really nice abilities in 1.32 in the Fiery Ki feats.

Come hell or high water Sunday night 1.32.3 is getting released. I may move some of the less important stuff if it's not finished but the deflection issue is the only big bug I have left to fix. Two prcs shouldn't take long, and then the rest should be fairly smooth sailing given I've already got the typing work done. I'm hoping people help beta test the prcs so I can speed up the releases. :)

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sly_1 1214018632|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I'll try to beta test for you, anything to get the harmonic dissonance patch out sooner :)

Time is a problem lately tho :(

About intuitive attack let me ask you this: will it be implemented as an ab bonus that applies towards the +20 cap like spells and weapon enhancement, or a "core" ab bonus that doesn't impact the +20 ab cap like str and dex bonus to ab are now?

I remember the bit about it being simple weapons only now that you mention it, I had a cleric with intuitive attack and a morningstar back in nwn1 with the prc hak pack. If morningstars weren't as good as they are it wouldn't be as bad…

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Kaedrin 1214019562|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

It will be a +AB bonus that counts against the cap. There is no way to make it a core AB bonus because we don't have engine access. It will most definitely be an issue for higher level characters but it's also one I can't solve. I plan to make sure and note that the AB counts against the cap since it shouldn't.

You an me both for time. I've had so many things going on lately I've gotten little done CC wise unfortunately. :(

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sly_1 1214774740|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hey Kaedrin how about this as a compromise. Just add Warchanter and Seeker of the song to 1.34, but otherwise leave the rest of the patches as planned?

Purty please with sugar on top? :D